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They've Walked in Eternity

Normally I don't really make posts on my thoughts on other things, but this was an observation I made while watching last night's episode and I couldn't stop thinking about it....  I just felt the need to express it. 

Did anyone else notice this?



From Day of the Moon:



The Doctor: Are you lying?
Rory: Course I'm lying.
The Doctor: Course you are. Not the sort of thing anyone forgets.
Rory: But I don't remember it all the time. It's like there's a door in my head. I can keep it shut.


From Tomb of the Cybermen:



Victoria: You probably can't remember your family.
The Doctor: Oh yes, I can when I want to. And that's the point, really. I have to really want to, to bring them back in front of my eyes. The rest of the time they... they sleep in my mind and I forget.


I find the parallel rather striking, never mind the fact that "Tomb of the Cyberman" was the episode that caused Matt to see Two as "His Doctor". When I saw that scene between Rory and Eleven, my mind instantly went to Two's conversation with Victoria. Rory talks about what it's like having all those years of memories, and as he's saying this, Eleven gets this look that says he understands, and it's because he had to explain almost the exact same thing to one of his companions so many years ago too. I feel this scene just shows how Rory's sort of become this person that could possibly come to understand the Doctor better than anyone else. And perhaps he already does. I hope that something will come out of this comparison later on, but if not, I'm still glad that they had this scene, it was something that needed to be done, I feel. 

Oh, I'm finding myself really wishing that I knew how, or had the time to try, to make GIF's or macro's or whatever those edited pictures you see all over tumblr are, because I'd love one about this.

Comments

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errorsinconduct
May. 1st, 2011 12:37 pm (UTC)
A very good remark. I definitely like seeing Rory and Doctor bond, and you are right, Rory does seem to understand him rather well considering how little time they've spent together. Remember on series 5 Vampires in Venice (of?), Rory told the Doctor something along the lines of "you have no idea how dangerous you are to the people who want to impress you" [sic], and this was after only a couple of episodes in. Rory seems very intuitive and they do relate to each other. There was also a deleted scene where Doctor says he likes Rory a lot.

I'm sorry, I can't make gifs either :o you should request someone who can.
only_after_dark
May. 1st, 2011 12:53 pm (UTC)
Ooh, nice pick up. I hadn't made that link but now that you've pointed it out, I really hope it was written/acted with that in mind. It certainly adds even more poignancy to that scene. Thanks for sharing :)
tempestas_inu
May. 1st, 2011 06:31 pm (UTC)
I hope that it was written with that in mind too. We'll see what it might mean for Rory, and possibly his relationship with the Doctor, as time goes on.
mayamaia
May. 2nd, 2011 06:06 pm (UTC)
I do get the feeling that the Doctor really likes Rory, and that the chemistry with Amy actually is getting in the way of the Doctor's friendship with Rory more than it's getting in the way of Amy's relationship with Rory. Poor Doctor.
only_after_dark
May. 1st, 2011 12:54 pm (UTC)
Oops, that was meant to be a comment, not a reply!
laughinggas13
May. 1st, 2011 01:11 pm (UTC)
\o/ IT'S NOT JUST ME! I thought that I was just seeing parallels because I watched Tomb right before Day of the Moon.

I like the idea that Rory might be someone who really understands the Doctor. I mean, if you think about it, after his 2,000 years as a centurion, he's actually *older* than the Doctor, and so probably would understand that particular aspect of the Doctor's personality rather well. I'm sort of hoping we get more hints of what this means for their relationship in the rest of the series.
tempestas_inu
May. 1st, 2011 06:33 pm (UTC)
Yay! We both noticed! I really like the idea too, because it brings alot more meaning to their relationship. I really hope something related to this fact comes up again later on.
errorsinconduct
May. 2nd, 2011 06:29 pm (UTC)
Btw, if you really want that gif/icon you should just request one. There was just one post where someone requested an icon. I'm sure they'll hook you up.
vocatus_fortis
May. 1st, 2011 02:45 pm (UTC)
I'm glad someone else has made that connection. I didn't want to be the only one.
farsh_nuke
May. 1st, 2011 02:51 pm (UTC)
Yeah I hadn't really bothered to think about what 2000 years meant for Rory, for 2000 years he was an alien among humanity guarding a precious box with his life, that is very like the Doctor, I wonder if he had any friends or family while he waited? I hope so. Eleven in this episode is so channelling Seven and 2 though.
steamshovelmama
May. 1st, 2011 03:02 pm (UTC)
I agree completely, the Two scene sprang to my mind straight away.
tasty_kate
May. 1st, 2011 03:48 pm (UTC)
<3 I've never seen any of Two's episode, so thanks for sharing. :)
bukabe16
May. 1st, 2011 04:22 pm (UTC)
I think that one of the most important things about Rory as a character, is that while he probably he has a much deeper insight into the Doctor than anyone else, HE DOESN'T CARE.

He likes the Doctor, sure, but the only person on the show he really cares about is Amy. The Doctor could burn and die for all he cares, as long as Amy is safe and happy. And that makes him different, even more so since he is so similar to the Doctor in some ways.
tempestas_inu
May. 1st, 2011 06:28 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I disagree, Rory does care what happens to the Doctor. He already died once for him, and last episode he was clearly upset when the Doctor died in front of their eyes. He also was quick to collaborate with River when it turned out something weird was up with the envelopes and berated Amy when Amy acted like it didn't matter because "the Doctor's dead" by telling her "it mattered to him". Amy is first and foremost what Rory cares about, sure, but Rory cares alot about people around him, and that definitely includes the Doctor. Sure, he didn't look quite as upset as Amy and River did, but at that point, don't you think he had to be the strong one?
steamshovelmama
May. 1st, 2011 07:58 pm (UTC)
I agree. Plus, he is a nurse and, I can tell you from personal experience, death is much, *much* less likely to throw him than Amy. He'll almost automatically put his emotions on hold and do what has to be done. In fact that's probably how he'll cope with most very stressful events.
bukabe16
May. 1st, 2011 09:55 pm (UTC)
Ok, maybe I phrased that rashly. Rory cares, of course, but not nearly to the extent that River or Amy do. They are emotionally dependent on the Doctor. Rory is barely attached to the Doctor, in comparison. What I meant to say is that what sets him apart is that while he has this advantage of understanding the Doctor, he doesn't use it. I doubt Amy could resist the temptation of getting even closer to the Doctor.
errorsinconduct
May. 2nd, 2011 06:36 pm (UTC)
Maybe that's the reason Rory can see him better than Amy: Amy wants in in in, while Rory stays back and observes and as a result sees more. It's easier to see the whole picture when you zoom out every once in a while.

I think he cares for the Doctor, but Arthur Darvill simply downplays it and it's not "obvious", and yet it's there.

Technically he used his insight in Vampires in Venice, when he reprimanded the Doctor for driving people to impress him and getting hurt as a result. Right?
sea_thoughts
May. 1st, 2011 08:34 pm (UTC)
I feel like the two-parter as a whole focused a great deal on the Rory/Doctor relationship and I love this parallel (never seen the Two episode so thanks for bringing it up).
tempestas_inu
May. 2nd, 2011 06:49 am (UTC)
I actually never saw this episode either. I came across it while reading blogs; someone was doing a meme on their favorite moments in Doctor Who and this scene was listed. I was intrigued, so I looked it up. I'm so glad I did, because it let me realize this parallel.
sea_thoughts
May. 2nd, 2011 08:36 am (UTC)
Is it on YouTube then? :D
tempestas_inu
May. 3rd, 2011 08:56 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure about the entire story of 'Tomb of the Cybermen', but the clip where Two says this to Victoria certainly is. Here's the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJEZMDD4hhE
sea_thoughts
May. 4th, 2011 10:36 pm (UTC)
Awesome, thank you!
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